Who’s older, Robb Stark or Jon Snow?

My answer to Who’s older, Robb Stark or Jon Snow?

Answer by Ava Monroe:

As far as we know, Robb is, however there is a huge amount of grey area here, and more than enough wiggle room for Jon to be older:

  • We dont know if Catelyn’s pregnancy was 35 weeks or 42 weeks, she could have given birth to Robb at any point in that range – which is the average range for a pregnancy. That right there provides a 7–8 week birthing window.
  • We dont have specific dates on either Robb or Jon’s births – we know Robb was born in the early part of 282 yet Jon is said to have been born just days after the new year. There is no mention of a very early in the year birth of Robb.
  • We know Rhaegar left his wife and children early in the year following the tourney, which means there was more than enough time for Lyanna and Rhaegar to meet up and coinceive Jon, before Ned married Catelyn and before Catelyn was pregnant.
  • We dont have specific dates on how long Ned was gone – was it 11 months? 13 months? A year roughly, but that leave a good amount of wiggle room as well. We know Robb was already born when Ned returned, but we dont know if he was 4 weeks old or 2 months old.
  • We know Ned and Catelyn didn’t have sex until after they were married and Ned left approximately 2 weeks after their wedding – which would mean Catelyn ddn’t get pregnant until a few days before, or the day before, Ned left.
  • We know Lyanna was gone long before Ned’s wedding.
  • We dont know how far along in the pregnancy Lyanna was when she gave birth, we dont know if it was a natural birth or cesarean.
  • We know Lyanna is older than Ned thanks to those couple lines in the books, which means if the North acknowledges succession to include birth order and feamles, a child of Lyanna’s would inherit before any children of Ned’s. In present day Britian this is how inheritance now plays out when vying for the Crown.
  • Ned’s cover story of being the father forces Jon’s birth to be accepted as occurring after Robb, and moves Jon immediately out of competition with Robb for any Stark of Winterfell claim, which keeps Jon potentially in a ‘safer’ position.
  • Catelyn ast one point in the books has thoughts concering Jon heading to the Wall and

There are also a couple remarks from Catelyn in the books which could suggest the possibility Robb was younger:

  1. Maseter Luwin informs Ned and Catelyn that Jon wishes to go to the Wall and become a Sworn Brother of the Nights Watch. Ned is shocked and upset. Catelyn, however, thinks to herself….
  • “…… the perfect solution. Benjen Stark was a Sworn Brother. Jon would be a son to him, the child he never had. And in time the boy (Jon) would take the oath as well. He would father no sons who might someday contest with Catelyn’s own children for Winterfell.” –A Game Of Thrones, Catelyn II

Why is Catelyn even contemplating any thoughts around Jons sons contesting Robbs first born claim IF she believes Robb is older. This subtly suggests Catelyn may be suspicious on sone level that Jon is older, regardless of the cover story, this thought should not be in Catelyns head if Jon is in fact younger.

2) Here we have Catelyn recalling Robb as a baby ‘small, red-faced and squalling, strong even then’ when she handed Robb to her sister Lysa for the first time:

  • She remembered the first time she gave her sister Robb to hold; small, red-faced, and squalling, but strong even then, full of life. – A Storm of Swords, Catelyn I

Lysa was likely with Catelyn at the time she gave birth, since births were life and death experiences on a larger scale than they are today (generally speaking). If Lysa was not there at the birth she was likely there very soon afterwards, and for Robb to be described as ‘red-faced’ and ‘strong even then’ does suggest he was a full term baby. Premature babies are generally not referred to as ‘strong’ since the longer a baby is inside, the stronger he/she grows. This quote indicates Robb was likely not born early which moves his birth date back towards the later end of the birthing window time frame.

Adding all this up, the possibility of Jon being older appears to be a lot more than just a possibility. Those of you who have been following my posts know where I am going with this one …….

If Jon is older, and if women are recognized in succession in terms of birth order …. this is why the show has crowned Jon Snow as a bastard King in the North, because they dont want to give the book secret away ……

Jon was not only born a Targaryen King, Jon was also born a Stark King – King duality !!!

Jon Snow, Lord Snow of Winterfell, King in the North

Jon Snow, King of Winter !


Thank you so very much Joanna Szulc for this A2A 🙂

Who’s older, Robb Stark or Jon Snow?


What is the prophecy regarding Jon Snow?

My answer to What is the prophecy regarding Jon Snow?

Answer by Ava Monroe:

Prophecy Duality – There is also another prophecy which Jon Snow fits into in addition to Azor Ahai:

Two kings to wake the dragon. The father first and then the son, so both die kings. – A Dance With Dragons, Jon I

So much duality in this series, it makes sense to have duality in prophecy regarding Jon Snow. It does not state in the books these two Kings who need to die in the prophecy must be Targaryen Kings, and there are two Stark Kings who died, first the father then the son, at the time Jon Snow was about to be born, perfect timing for a dragon to ‘rise again’, especially a Targaryen-Stark ‘dragon’.

Jon Snow, Azor Ahai, is also a ‘dragon’: an Ice & Fire made flesh ‘Dragon’ who shares the same flesh reaction to wounds as Daenerys dragons do, a Targaryen-Stark ‘dragon’ hybrid, and, I believe Jon is also the ‘dragon rising again’ in the prophecy. Here is why:


Jon Snow: Two Kings to Wake the Dragon Prophecy – Stark Kings

I have not found anywhere in the books to indicate these Kings in the dragon rising again prophecy must be Targaryen, and since Jon is duality, ice and fire, it would fit if the prophecy contains an element of duality as well. Kings we typically associate with Targaryens (fire) in prophecy, Stark Kings however are associated with Jon and the North (ice).

  • Two kings to wake the dragon. The father first and then the son, so both die kings. The words had been murmured by one of the queen's men as Maester Aemon had cleaned his wounds. Jon had tried to dismiss them as his fever talking. Aemon had demurred. "There is power in a king's blood," the old maester had warned …. – A Dance With Dragons, Jon I

This quote above comes from a Jon chapter while he is up at the Wall in the North – details which I believe are relative to the interpretation of this prophecy, and likely a form of foreshadowing the ‘two kings’ are Northern Kings.

Regardless of the fact the Kings of Winter have been called the Kings in the North since the day Torrhen Stark bent the knee at the Trident, it is the ability to use the title ‘King of Winter’ which the Starks surrendered along with the crown of the Kings of Winter, yet the Starks and the secrets of Winterfell which have the ability to control winter, remain intact. So long as they do, they are, technically, still the Kings of Winter.

Therefore Rickard Stark was technically a King at the time of his death, the King of Winter. Brandon Stark, his son then became the King of Winter and was also killed by King Aerys II Targaryen very shortly after his father, fulfilling the two kings prophecy: Two kings to wake the dragon. The father first and then the son, so both die kings.


Kill the Boy, Jon Snow

Now whether the dragon rising again begins on some level at the time of Jon’s birth into the world, or solely upon his resurrection rebirth later in the series can be up for debate. Duality runs deep in ASOIAF – I would vote both births are equally important and required for the dragon to rise again as Jon needs to exist in Westeros in order to kill the boy and rise again as a man, and ‘dragon’, as advised by Maester Aemon Targaryen:

  • "Allow me to give my lord one last piece of counsel," the old man had said, "the same counsel that I once gave my brother when we parted for the last time. He was three-and-thirty when the Great Council chose him to mount the Iron Throne. A man grown with sons of his own, yet in some ways still a boy. Egg had an innocence to him, a sweetness we all loved. Kill the boy within you, I told him the day I took ship for the Wall. It takes a man to rule. An Aegon, not an Egg. Kill the boy and let the man be born." The old man felt Jon's face. "You are half the age that Egg was, and your own burden is a crueler one, I fear. You will have little joy of your command, but I think you have the strength in you to do the things that must be done. Kill the boy, Jon Snow. Winter is almost upon us. Kill the boy and let the man be born." – A Dance With Dragons, Jon II, Aemon Targaryen speaking to Jon


Jon Snow Ice & Fire ‘Dragon’

Both Daenerys living dragons, the dragons back in The Princess and the Queen, and Jon Snow all exhibit the same ‘smoking wounds’ which I believe is a strong connection between fire breathing dragons and human Targaryen ‘Dragons’


Here are a few quotes from A Dance with Dragons, Daenerys IX, showing Drogon being attacked and the reaction that occurs in his flesh when wounded:

  • His spear remained in Drogon's back, wobbling as the dragon beat his wings. Smoke rose from the wound.
  • His head turned. Smoke rose between his teeth. His blood was smoking too, where it dripped upon the ground. He beat his wings again, sending up a choking storm of scarlet sand. Dany stumbled into the hot red cloud, coughing. He snapped.
  • She remembered the dragon twisting beneath her, shuddering at the impacts, as she tried desperately to cling to his scaled back. The wounds were smoking.
  • …….blood was flowing from the wound where the spear had pierced him, smoking where it dripped onto the scorched sands. He is fire made flesh, she thought, and so am I. – Daenerys IX, ADWD

Jon Snow (Ice & Fire, Stark &Targaryen made Flesh ‘Dragon’)

Also in A Dance with Dragons, we have a brief description of Jon’s flesh reaction when stabbed by Nights Watch brothers:

  • Then Bowen Marsh stood there before him, tears running down his cheeks. "For the Watch." He punched Jon in the belly. When he pulled his hand away, the dagger stayed where he had buried it. Jon fell to his knees. He found the dagger's hilt and wrenched it free. In the cold night air the wound was smoking. "Ghost," he whispered. Pain washed over him. Stick them with the pointy end. When the third dagger took him between the shoulder blades, he gave a grunt and fell face-first into the snow. He never felt the fourth knife. Only the cold … – A Dance With Dragons, Jon XIII

These smoking wound similarities between Drogon and Jon Snow indicates Jon has very unique and dragon specific traits. Combine that along with his Targaryen blood and Jon slides in nicely as a human ‘dragon’.

‘He never felt the fourth knife. Only the cold…’ tells me this is on page proof of Jon’s death in the books. People who have died and come back often report being very cold and we know body temperature plummets upon death.

Prophecy Duality – Jon Snow, Azor Ahai, Stark-Targaryen, dragon-human hybrid

What is the prophecy regarding Jon Snow?

Who fathered Ashara Dayne’s child?

My answer to Who fathered Ashara Dayne's child?

Answer by Ava Monroe:

Ashara was handmaiden to Elia Martell, the wife of Rhaegar, and therefore was around Rhaegar as much as Elia was. Ashara would likely have known of the prophecy and many of the details as well, since she lived so closely with Rhaegar and Elia.

Rhaegar needed 3 ‘heads of the dragon’ and needed 3 more children. Using his two existing children with Elia does not feel like a wise move for two potential reasons:

  • Since Targaryens have prophetic dreams, Rhaegar may have already foreseen the deaths of Elia and their 2 children – however if so then why did he not move them to safety?
  • Assuming Rhaegar had not foreseen such events, Westeros is a wild place, heirs and a few spares would likely be a much wiser plan of action and the route Rhaegar would likely go since not many live to see age 10 back then.

Ashara is therefore a perfect candidate to be considered as the mother of one of the three heads of the dragon in Rhaegar’s prophecy, especially if Elia was supportive of the prophecy and was looking at it all from a big picture point of view as Elia could not have any more children and she knew Rhaegar needed more.

Elia was said to be good natured, kind and understanding.

GRRM describes their relationship as ‘complex’. Having multiple baby mommas while staying married to your wife certainly qualifies as a ‘complex’ relationship.

Also Rhaegar and Ashara could have been married at a weirwood tree up near Harrenhal during the tourney, which is roughly the time she must have become pregnant (either before or shortly after). Her dancing partners at the tourney, I believe, are red herrings, and Ashara was already, or about to be, carrying Rhaegar’s child.

We also do not know Ashara killed herself

She could very well be alive somewhere in Westeros, as Ned could have helped her and her child if they travelled together from Starfall to Kings Landing to get a milk mother for Jon (and Ashara’s baby). Ashara could have been in disguise and kept a low profile and Ned would have helped her with that. Also, she could have left with Howland Reed and headed to the marshes, after the brief Kings Landing stop, which is a popular theory.

Or she could have given her child to Jon Connington, who was in love with Rhaegar, to raise and take her son out of Westeros. If so then the child we know as Young Griff will eventually prove to be Aegon VI Targaryen, via Rhaegar and Ashara.


Young Griff has eyes a slightly lighter purple eyes than Rhaegar and the silver blonde hair of Rhaegar

  • Rhaegar had deep purple eyes and silver blonde hair
  • Ashara had violet purple eyes and dark hair, yet Dayne males are said to have purple/violet eyes and blonde hair
  • Elia had black eyes and dark hair, Rhaegar & Elia’s daughter shared Elia’s dark eyes and hair and features (Dornish). This sets the precedent their 2nd child most likely would have had Dornish coloring as well and is a subtle indication this is the case (although we do not know since Rhaegar and Elia’s Aegon was never brought to court.

The fact that Dayne males can have Targaryen coloring can be taken as futher proof Ashara is the mother of Young Griff,


that Ashara is the mother of another child, a child of Rhaegar, female or male, with purple eyes and blonde or dark hair, and is living under assumed names in Westeros and being raised by Ashara …. at GreyWater Watch perhaps? Or some other unknown location.

The mystery continues ……

Who fathered Ashara Dayne's child?

Sansa was upset when she saw Jon alive. Did she want Jon to die?

My answer to Sansa was upset when she saw Jon alive. Did she want Jon to die?

Answer by Ava Monroe:

Honestly I did not interpret or get any sense Sansa was in any way disappointed Jon Snow was alive. Not one bit … but there are two sides to that comment.

On One Side

  • Sansa looked shocked and disgusted by the battle she was watching. It was dam intense and horrific for me an avid show watcher and I knew it was just a show. In GoT, it was real and Sansa is a Highborn Lady who used to stitch, do everything properly, wear pretty dresses every waking moment, and her big life concern once upon a time was what would she do if she was only able to produce baby girls when she & Joffrey married? While those parts of her are long gone, they are still inside her. What life could have been. What life should have been. And here she is years later, most of her family murdered, fighting to take back her home, acknowledging she has no knowledge of wars or fighting strategy. Sansa had never seen a true war or battle in full tilt until that day.
  • Sansa was upset, furious, angry that Jon didn't listen to her input regarding when to attack Ramsey and her insistent advice to wait for more men as they simply didn't have enough. Sansa was right. And she almost watched the last member of her family, Jon Snow, be killed a hundred yards away because he wouldn't take her input seriously. She didn’t have any control. After being subjected to the horrors of Ramsey, Sansa will seek control of her life and surroundings for the rest of her days. Its a survival thing now.
  • I personally felt Sansa looked relieved when she realized Jon was alive ….. and that was thanks to Sansa, and to Littlefinger and the Nights of the Vale, who would not have been there if it were not for her.
  • Notice when Sansa sees Ramsey retreat, she looks worried and concerned to see Jon, Tormund and Wun-Wun going tearing off after him on foot, looking to face Ramsey one on one. Sansa was so concerned for his safety that she and the Knights of the Vale immediately followed them directly to Winterfell.

Jon swore to Sansa he would protect her. He meant it. There, at Winterfell, Jon takes on Ramsey without a shred of fear for his own safety, or his life or death. He swore he would protect her or die. Sansa watches this go down, watches Jon make a beeline for Ramsey, despite the shooting arrows and all, and proceeds to beat the guy into facial pulp, only stopping when he looks up and sees Sansa.

No words need to be said. Jon knows what he must do. He knows what Sansa would want without ever having discussed it. Their blood tie runs that deep.

That is why Jon left Ramsey alive, for Sansa to finish him if she wanted to. Jon gave her that choice. They are family. They love eachother. They are all each other has left at this point – so far aas they each know.

I do not believe Sansa will ever be disappointed Jon Snow is alive.

On The Flip Side

I do believe Littlefinger and his meddling and commentary might mess with her head and Sansa may start to get jealous or bitter about not being the Head of House Stark.

She may get her snobbery in gear again and decide since Jon is (allegedly) bastard born, and that he has no right to be King in the North, and she should be ruling Winterfell and the North.

Unfortunately, Sansa now needs to be in control to be safe. This may not bode so well for their bond, although I do hope I am wrong.

Sansa just might need a lesson from Lady Mormont.

Thanks for the A2A 🙂

Sansa was upset when she saw Jon alive. Did she want Jon to die?

Why did Jon Snow go to the Wall?

My answer to Why did Jon Snow go to the Wall?

Answer by Ava Monroe:

There are 3 significant reasons Jon Snow joined the Nights Watch:

Reason 1 – Jon had nowhere else to go.

Reason 2 – Jon wanted to find his place in the world, feel a sense of purpose as is the human way.

Reason 3 – The Wall is Jon’s destiny and Ned Stark knew it from the day he found Lyanna and Jon at the Tower of Joy.

The Nights Watch was Jon’s destiny and deep down on some level, he knew this. I further believe the following theories in point form are supported by the quotes located below them:

  • I believe Ned Stark knew about the prophecy Rhaegar believed in and that he knew great details of it.
  • I believe Lyanna told Ned these things as she was dying.
  • I believe this is the reason why we are not getting access to Neds full thoughts around that event, and why we heard nothing of the words between Ned & Lyanna during Bran’s trip back in time to the Tower of Joy.
  • I believe this is why Ned allowed Jon to go to the Wall, and why he told Jon the last time he saw him that they would talk about Jon’s mother the next time they met.
  • I also believe this is why Ned was so insistent Daenerys must not be killed. Ned definitely is not a child killer even in war, that is part of his personality not to do such things, and it is a great way to cover the fact that Ned knows Jon & Daenerys would both play crucial roles in the future for Westeros and its survival.

Here are quotes and my reasoning to support …..


Jon’s Desire To Prove Himself

“Even a bastard may rise high in the Night’s Watch” – Ned Stark, AGOT, Catelyn II

Jon Snow knew because of his bastard status, he had nowhere else to go, no other options. He could not go south to court, as the Queen did not allow any of King Robert Baratheon’s bastards attend court. Jon knew he would be shunned and there was no place for him there.


Jon Had Nowhere Else to Go

Jon knew he could not stay at Winterfell with Catelyn, Robb, Bran and Rickon. Jon knew Catelyn would not allow that.

There was no place for him in Winterfell, no place in King’s Landing either. Even his own mother had not had a place for him. The thought of her made him sad. He wondered who she had been, what she had looked like, why his father had left her.” –A Game Of Thrones, Jon V

Ned told Cat he wished Jon could stay at Winterfell since Robb and Jon were close, but Catelyn forbid that as a possibility. She could never get over the fact that Ned cheated on her. While she did not beat Jon, she actively hated him, and she was actively and routinely verbally and emotionally abusive to Jon his entire life.


Even as a baby, Catelyn could not find any love in her heart for Jon. A quote from Catelyn in A Game of Thrones:

Whoever Jon’s mother had been, Ned must have loved her fiercely, for nothing Catelyn said would persuade him to send the boy away. It was the one thing she could never forgive him. She had come to love her husband with all her heart, but she had never found it in her to love Jon …….. Jon was never out of sight, and as he grew, he looked more like Ned than any of the trueborn sons she bore him. Somehow that made it worse.

“Jon must go,” she said now.

“He and Robb are close,” Ned said. “I had hoped….”

“He cannot stay here,” Catelyn said, cutting him off. “He is your son not mine. I will not have him.” It was hard she knew, but no less the truth. Ned would do the boy no kindness by leaving him here at Winterfell.

The look Ned gave her was anguished. “You know I cannot take him south. There will be no place for him at court. A boy with a bastard’s name …. you know what they will say of him. He will be shunned.” ……….

“How can you be so damnably cruel Catelyn? He is only a boy. He –” His fury was on him…. A Game Of Thrones, Catelyn II


At this point, Maseter Luwin informs Ned and Catelyn that Jon wishes to go to the Wall and become a Sworn Brother of the Nights Watch. Ned is shocked and upset. Catelyn, however, thinks to herself….

“…… the perfect solution. Benjen Stark was a Sworn Brother. Jon would be a son to him, the child he never had. And in time the boy (Jon) would take the oath as well. He would father no sons who might someday contest with Catelyn’s own children for Winterfell.” –A Game Of Thrones, Catelyn II


Jon Saw The Nights Watch as an Honorable Order

In the beginning of the books (and show) we see Jon trying to make the best of his situation, and considers joining the Nights Watch after Benjen tells Jon they need more men like Jon on the Wall. Jon swells with pride, an emotion Jon rarely ever experiences. Jon talks to his Uncle Benjen, about this possibility, about joining now and leaving with Benjen when he returns to the Wall in a few days.

At that time, Jon saw the Watch as an honorable order, consisting of honorable men, who took pride in the great responsibility of guarding the people of Westeros from whatever threats live north of the Wall.

Benjen gave Jon a careful, measuring look. “You don’t miss much, do you, Jon? We could use a man like you on the Wall.”

Jon swelled with pride. “Robb is a stronger lance than I am, but I’m the better sword, and Hullen says I sit a horse as well as anyone in the castle.”

“Noble achievements”

“Take me with you when you go back to the Wall,” Jon said in a sudden rush. “Father will give me leave to go if you ask him, I know he will.”

Uncle Benjen studied his face carefully. ”The wall is a hard place for a boy, Jon”

“I am almost a man grown,” Jon protested. “I will turn 15 on my next name day, and Maester Luwin says bastards grow up faster than other children.” ………… –A Game Of Thrones, Jon I

Jon deeply wishes to make his way in the world, to find his ‘place’, somewhere he belongs, to have a sense of purpose. He wants to others to see him as the honorable man he sees in himself. Jon wants to be known to be the kind of man his father is, whom Jon greatly looks up to, as opposed to being known as ‘Ned Starks bastard’.


Jon Wanted to find his Life’s Purpose

As a brother of the Night’s Watch, Jon knew his bastard status would be put aside, and for the first time in his life, he would have the chance to make a name for himself, a name with the word ‘bastard’ attached to it. Jon sought this path out for himself, as deep down, there was something inside him that knew, this was his path, his destiny.

The wine was making him bold. He tried to sit very straight, to make himself seem taller. “I want to serve in the Night’s Watch, Uncle.”…..

He had thought on it long and hard, lying abed at night while his brothers slept around him. Rob would someday inherit Winterfell, would command great armies as the Warden of the North. Bran and Rickon would be Robb’s bannermen and rule holdfasts in his name. His sisters Arya and Sansa would marry the heirs of other great houses and go south as mistress of castles of their own. But what place could a bastard hope to earn?

……. “You don’t know what you’re asking, Jon. The Night’s Watch is a sworn brotherhood. We have no families. None of us will ever father sons. Our wife is duty. Our mistress is honor.”

“A bastard can have honor too,” Jon said. “I am ready to swear your oath.”

“You are a boy of fourteen,” Benjen said. “Not a man, not yet. Until you have known a woman, you cannot understand what you would be giving up.”

“I don’t care about that!” Jon said hotly.

“You might, if you knew what it meant,” Benjen said. “If you knew what the oath would cost you, you might be less eager to pay the price.” –A Game Of Thrones, Jon I


Jon Felt Cast Out by His Family

Jon did not want to leave Winterfell, the only home he had ever known. He did not want to leave his family, and he had a feeling he would never see them again if he did. That feeling turned out to be true. Half of them are dead within 2 years, and we have only seen Jon reunited with Sansa on the show.

“Jon climbed the steps slowly, trying not to think that this might be the last time ever.”A Game Of Thrones, Jon II


A few chapters later we see Bran commenting on Jon’s mood the last few days as he prepares to leave Winterfell. As much as Jon wanted to make his way in the world, he was also feeling cast out into the world, alone …

“… Jon and his wolf were nowhere to be found. Bran did not look for him very hard. He thought Jon was angry at him. Jon seemed to be angry at everyone these days. Bran did not know why. He was going with Uncle Ben to the Wall, to join the Nights Watch.” –A Game Of Thrones, Bran II

At the end of A Game of Thrones we find this quote from Jon which shows how he felt deep down:

I have no place, Jon wanted to say, I’m a bastard. I have no rights, no name, no mother, and now not even a father. The words would not come. – A Game of Thrones, Jon IX


The Wall Is Jon’s Destiny & Ned Knew It

Jon left Winterfell, arriving at the Wall, and soon, reluctantly accepting this was his path in life. Jon did not understand the quality of the Nights Watch brothers had significantly declined the last few hundred years. Jon did not realize the vast majority of the NW brothers now consisted of rapers, poachers, thieves, murderers, and worse, along with a few farm boys, whose only crime was stealing a chunk of cheese or bread to feed their starving family.

Ned knows Jon, he knows how strikingly simialr they are to each other. The Watch is no place for a character of such strong morals as Ned, nor is it a place for Jon for the same reasons. So why would Ned allow Jon to go there … unless he knew about the prophecy, and had a head’s up on the events to come.

This quote near the end of A Game of Thrones in which Old Bear Lord Commander Mormont (God rest his awesome fierce soul) says something most intriguing:

“Your lord father sent you to us, Jon. Why, who can say?”

“Why? Why? Why?” the raven called.

“All I know is that the blood of the First Men flows in the veins of the Starks. The First Men built the Wall, and its said they remember things otherwise forgotten. And that beast of yours …. he led us to the wights, warned you of the dead man on the steps.” – Lord Commander Mornont talking to Jon, A Game of Thrones, Jan IX


Why indeed. The raven is as smart as Old Nan.

While Jon struggles with his choice, he excels in his role at the Wall, eventually becoming Lord Commander. A meteoric climb indeed from Bastard of Ned Stark to Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch.

Some (like me lol) would say that right there serves as very strong evidence the Wall was the path meant for Jon.

The Wall, the Sworn Brotherhood of the Nights Watch, the betrayal at the hands of his ‘brother’s, just a few of the many things which are a big part of Jon Snow’s destiny.

Why did Jon Snow go to the Wall?

Could Coldhands be Rhaegar Targaryen?

My answer to Could Coldhands be Rhaegar Targaryen?

Answer by Ava Monroe:

My Theory : Rhaegar Targaryen is Ghost – Part 1

“Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another.” – Albert Einstein

I propose Ghost is Rhaegar’s spirit, currently reincarnated as a direwolf. Since energy never dies, it only changes form, Rhaegar’s cremation closes the door on resurrection, and opens the door for reincarnation. Plenty of opportunity for Rhaegar’s spirit to leave his body long before his cremation.

Reincarnation is the transmigration of the soul from one living being to another living being.

Ghost, by definition, means ‘the spirit of a dead person’. Names and their meanings carry great weight in ASOIAF.

From the moment we meet Ghost as a days old pup, I have noticed a number of ever so intriguing similarities in traits and behaviours between Ghost & Rhaegar Targaryen.


Direwolves are not commonly found in Westeros.

“It’s no freak,” Jon said calmly. “That’s a direwolf. They grow larger than the other kind.”

Theon Greyjoy said, “There’s not been a direwolf sighted south of the Wall in two hundred years.”

“I see one now,” replied Jon.

– AGOT, Bran I (page 18)

This quote speaks to how rare it was to find a direwolf south of the wall, making his presence a unique, rare and interesting occurrence.


Ghost’s appearance coincided with the beginning of a series of very unfortunate events for House Stark, including Jon Snow.

“Direwolves loose in the realm, after so many years,” muttered Hullen, the master of horse. “I like it not.”

“It is a sign,” Jory said.

Father frowned. “This is only a dead animal, Jory,” he said. Yet he seemed troubled. Snow crunched under his boots as he moved around the body. “Do we know what killed her?”

“There’s something in the throat,” Robb told him ………. “There, just under the jaw.”

His father knelt and groped under the beast’s head with his hand. He gave a yank and held it up for all to see.

A foot of shattered antler, tines snapped off, all wet with blood.

A sudden silence descended over the party. The men looked at the antler uneasily, and no one dared speak. Even Bran could sense their fear, although he did not understand.

– AGOT, Bran I (page 18)

The discovery of the direwolf pups was immediate cause for intense concern amongst Ned, Jory and Hullen. They saw the direwolf killed by the stag as a bad omen: the Stag is the sigil of House Baratheon, specifically King Robert Baratheon. The direwolf is the sigil of House Stark, specifically Ned Stark. Here we have a stag killing the direwolf, leaving all of its 6 pups (6 Stark children) to fend for themselves. Since the stag was nowhere to be found and there is no mention of a blood trail, this suggests the stag lived to walk away unscathed, while the direwolf died.

Notice the location of the stag tine, in the throat of the direwolf. The throat represents communication, speech, words. Ned was later executed via beheading, sword through the neck (throat, center of communication). The stag in that situation (Cersei Baratheon) also walked away, unscathed. The timing of Ghost’s arrival was perfect if his purpose was to protect Jon Snow.


Jon was meant to find Ghost, Ghost was meant for Jon and only Jon.

…but Jon was listening to something else.

“There,” Jon said. He swung his horse around and galloped back across the bridge. They watched him dismount where the direwolf lay dead in the snow, watched him kneel. A moment later he was riding back to them, smiling.

“He must have crawled away from the others,” Jon said.

“Or been driven away,” their father said, looking at the sixth pup.

-AGOT, Bran I (pg 21)

Ghost had wandered away from the others, a behaviour that goes against the natural survival instinct. The discovery of Ghost was made by Jon as they were leaving. A few chapters later, Jon is separated from his pack, heading off to the Wall, far away from his brothers and sisters. In those moments before Jon discovered Ghost, the two already had a strong connection of some kind, intuitive or otherwise, as Jon heard and sensed Ghost whereas no one else in the group did.


The words of House Targaryen: ‘Fire & Blood’. Ghost has red eyes, often described as “red as blood” whereas none of the other direwolves do. The quote above continues here……

His fur was white, where the rest of the litter was grey. His eyes were as red as the blood of the ragged man who had died that morning. Bran thought it curious that this pup alone would have opened his eyes while the others were still blind.

“An albino,” Theon Greyjoy said with wry amusement. “This one will die ever faster than the others.”

Jon Snow gave his father’s ward a long, chilling look. “I think not, Greyjoy,” he said. “This one belongs to me.”

-AGOT, Bran I (page 21)

There three important points here to consider. First, eyes as red as blood – Ghost is not an albino, despite Theon’s statement. Albinos have pink or deep pinkish eyes, with a deep pink pupil, which can appear reddish in certain light. Albinos do not have red eyes, nor do they have eyes red as blood. This further supports my theory that Ghost’s red eyes are intentional and symbolic as a link to Rhaegar.

Second, Ghost’s white fur coat is another intentional connection to Jon SNOW, snow being white.

Third, Ghost had his eyes open long before the other pups, long before any pup would. This is another shout out to Jon connection as it is bastard children grow up faster than those of legitimate birth. Ghost is not a bastard but he is growing up faster than his siblings from day one, just as Jon has.


The Old Gods could be behind the reincarnation of Rhaegar’s spirit into Ghost as we see later in the series, Jon compare the red of Ghost’s eyes and mouth to the red sap faces of the weirwood trees, and Ghost’s fur to the color of white bones, also like the white of the weirwood tree, of a heart tree – a direct link to the Old Gods.

The direwolf had no answer, but he licked Jon’s face with a tongue like a wet rasp, and his eyes caught the last light and shone like two great red suns. Red eyes, Jon realized, but not like Melisandre’s. He had weirwood’s eyes. Red eyes, red mouth, white fur. Blood and bone, like a heart tree. He belongs to the old gods, this one. And he alone of all the direwolves was white. Six pups they’d found in the late summer snows, him and Rob; five that were grey and black and brown, for the five Starks, and one white, white as Snow.

He had his answer then.

-ASOS, Jon (page 1092)

In the above quote from ASOS, Ghost returns to Castle Black after being separated from Jon for some time. Jon realizes in this moment the significance of Ghost coming into his life “one white, white as Snow” and that there were 6 pups: 5 of standard birth, 1 unique from the others.


Similarity between Ghost & Rhaegar with respect to “red eyes”: In Daenerys’ fever dreams while giving birth to Rhaego, she sees Rhaegar with red eyes (although Rhaegar had violet eyes in life)

And saw her brother Rhaegar, mounted on a stallion as black as his armor. Fire glimmered red through the narrow eye slit of his helm.

– AGOT, Daenerys (page 753)


Ghost’ & Rhaegar’s Personality: One of the most significant differences between Ghost and the other direwolves, is how quiet Ghost is. Silent. He never makes a sound.

“A very quiet wolf,” he observed.

“He’s not like the others,” Jon said. “He never makes a sound. That’s why I named him Ghost. That, and because he’s white. The others are all dark, grey or black.”

– Benjen and Jon discussing Ghost, AGOT, Jon I (page 53)

Others in Westeros who come into contact with Jon and Ghost, even those who have no past contact with direwolves, are immediately aware of how quiet Ghost is:

And suddenly the wolf was between them. He did not growl. The damned thing never made a sound. He only looked at him with those bright red eyes, and showed him his teeth, and that was more than enough.

– AGOT, Tyrion II (page 125)

Ghost isn’t only quiet around humans:

The bitch growled low in her throat and moved closer. Ghost looked up, silent, and fixed the dog with those hot red eyes.

– AGOT, Jon I pg52

Ghost is always silent, even around other dogs, which is not typical behaviour of a direwolf, wolf, or canine. Perhaps this is because Ghost is inhabited by the human spirit of Rhaegar Targaryen? What would Rhaegar know of the socially acceptable and standard behaviours of a direwolf? Likely that would not be something he would be paying much attention to if he was in fact inhabiting the body of a direwolf, trying to protect Jon day and night.


Rhaegar & Ghost’s Personalities: A human spirit in a direwolf’s body might very well be quiet, especially if that particular human was known to be melancholy, quiet, as Rhaegar was oft described.

“… there was a melancholy to Prince Rhaegar, a sense …… of doom. He was born in grief, my queen, and that shadow hung over him all his days.”

– Artsan Whitebeard, ASOS, Deaneries IV, page 587

Rhaegar was said to be a private person, one who kept to himself. He did not show any interest in playing with other children his own age, preferring books and the company of his harp. Ghost also shows no interest in socializing with anyone other than Jon, and occasionally one or two of Jon’s close friends.


Ghost’s Habits: Ghost often likes to slip away by himself and sit under the stars, suggesting a striking similarity to Rhaegar, who often spent time sleeping alone under the stars, in the ruined castle of Summerhall.

He found Ghost atop the hill, as he thought he might. The white wolf never howled, yet something drew him to heights all the same, and he would squat there on his hindquarters, hot breath rising in a white mist as his red eyes drank the stars.

– Jon commenting on Ghost, ASOS, page 356


Rhaegar’s Habits: Rhaegar would often spend time at the ruins of Summerhall, alone, sleeping under the stars.

“And yet Summerhall was the place the prince loved best. He would go there from time to time, with only his harp for company. Even the knights of the Kingsguard did not attend him there. He liked to sleep in the ruined hall, beneath the moon and stars, and whenever he came back he would bring a song.”

– Artsan Whitebeard commenting on Rhaegar, ASOS, Danaerys IV page 587

A few more associations below involving with Rhaegar, red eyes, and blood, the color and descriptive term “red as blood” so often used to describe Ghost’s eyes:


Rhaegar is associated with rubies (and the color red and blood) throughout the series.

The crown prince wore the armor he would die in: gleaming black plate with the three-headed dragon of his House wrought in rubies on the breast.

– AGOT, Eddard, page 631


In Daenery’s visions in the House of the Undying, she sees Rhaegar associated with rubies and blood.

Rubies flew like drops of blood from the chest of a dying prince, and he sank to his knees in the water and with his last breath murmured a woman’s name …

– ACOK, Daenerys, page 706

I propose Rhaegar is living inside Jon’s direwolf, protecting him, looking out for him, warning him of danger many times throughout the series. A guardian angel of sorts from the Old Gods to help ensure, as best he can, that Jon is around for the final battle against the Others.

Ghost is as crucial a character as Jon Snow is to the ASOIAF story, which is why the HBO show absolutely could not put Ghost in the BotB.

Ghost absolutely must live right to the very end, perhaps even longer than Jon Snow….. but that is a post for another day 🙂

Ava Monroe


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Is it possible that the White Walkers are allied with Euron Greyjoy?

My answer to Is it possible that the White Walkers are allied with Euron Greyjoy?

Answer by Ava Monroe:

“Your Drowned God is a demon,” the black priest Moqorro said afterward. “He is no more than a thrall of the Other, the dark God whose name must not be spoken.” – A Dance With Dragons, Victarion

A quick comparison of traits between the Drowned God, the White Walkers, and Euron Greyjoy shows striking similarities which implies they are connected to each other.

Drowned God (Water)

  • “What is Dead May Never Die but Rises Harder, Stronger”
  • Followers of the Drowned God are drowned, until they have fully stopped breathing and the lungs have filled with water, dragged to shore and left as is. No CPR given. If the Drowned God sees fit, the drowned man who has technically died will spontaneously come back to life, rising harder, stronger.

The Drowned God (Art: Cthulhu by http://somniturne.deviantart.com/)


White Walkers (Water in Ice form)

  • ‘Dead’ things that don't die but instead sleep for thousands of years and rise harder, stronger
  • Beings which possess a ‘dead’ appearance due to the skinless, decomposing skeletal look they are rockin’
  • White Walkers are repetedly described as having pale flesh and bright blue eyes, two features which Euron is also described to have
  • Coloring includes a mix of white, pale and light blue, or bright pale blue.
  • White is the color of purity, the color of ice and is a great red herring element – a ‘good’ association placed on a ‘bad’ thing to make us question its true nature
  • The blue tint or sheen on the White Walkers white icy bodies is a subtle hint at their true nature, which is ‘dark’. Blue is the color associated with water, and I believe GRRM has associated water with the ‘dark’ aspect of many things in ASOIAF (however not all things that are blue are ‘dark’, it must be water element associated blue).

White Walkers (GoT White Walker free image wallpaper art hqwallbase.online)


Euron Greyjoy (Water)

  • Is from a family who believes in the Drowned God
  • Greyjoys, and the Ironborn, use the ‘What is Dead May Never Die but Rises Harder, Stronger’ ritual
  • pale skin, right eye ‘blue as a summer sky’ – The description of Euron in AFFC The Iron Captain is highly suggestive White Walker association
  • lips that look ‘bruised and blue’ – ‘bruised’ indicates a ‘darkness’ in the shade of blue as opposed to light blue as some artwork shows. The use of both the ‘blue as a summer sky’ eye along with ‘bruised’ lips on the same person = White Walker connection
  • Shades of blue combined with paleness when describing physical appearance are colors consistently used to describe White Walkers: their flesh is described as pale, eyes bright blue.
  • Euron is an ocean faring reaver who has spent a great deal of his life at sea, heavily connected to Water element
  • The blue lips can also be associated with the Warlocks from the House of the Undying in Qarth. Euron spent many years sailing farther around the world than most, it would be reasonable to suggest he drank Nightshade along the way, and that the Warlocks of Qarth are ‘dark’

Euron Greyjoy (Les Limbes de Yué: janvier 2015 les-limbesdeyue.blogspot.com)

The White Walkers, the Drowned God & Euron Greyjoy are all on the same team – I’ll bet a bag of golden dragons on that 🙂

I will take it a step further and say Water elements are most often indicative of the Dark Other, whereas Earth elements are indicative of the Lord of Light

….. details and quotes to support this theory are in this post addressing the Gods of Streams, Forests & Stones vs the Gods of Storms, Oceans and Seas: Ava Monroe's answer to In Game of Thrones, who built the Wall, and how?

Is it possible that the White Walkers are allied with Euron Greyjoy?

Can Bran Stark Alter the Past? Absolutely

I believe Bran can and will alter the past.

I believe Bran will interfere with the timeline in some way, beyond merely observing and remembering past events. We have already seen Bran communicating information to past figures, physically interacting with them, and soon we will witness Bran altering not only the fates of his immediate family members, but the fates and lives of all in Westeros.

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My Theory: Azor Ahai & The Prince That Was Promised Prophecy Decoded: 2 People, 2 Swords = 1 Person, 1 Sword

My Theory: Azor Ahai & The Prince That Was Promised Prophecy Decoded

(2 People) + Dawn, Lightbringer (2 Swords) = 1 Person, 1 Sword

Duality merges and Becomes One

What Rises in The West & Sets in the East – Daenerys, The Dragons, The Prince That Was Promised, The Prophecy and Her Role as The Blood of The Dragon in the Battle for the Dawn.

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